Serious? I thought we were supposed to be encouraging people to read, not charging them $14,000.00. I get that material should be paid for, but there is a reaspn libraries were invented and that is to give the public at access information they otherwise wouldn't be able to get. We've come into a digital age. What's the different between checking out a book for free, or downloading an ebook for free? All it means is more people get the opportunity to read it.
Its like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. True enough, the people who write should be paid for their writing, but the public should also be allowed access to literature even if they aren't rich enough to buy every book that comes out.
I agree! But not all authors get paid in the first place!
In the case of academic journals (like the one the article cites), authors don't get paid for their work (some journals even have a publishing fee)! They are not getting any of the money that a publishing house charges for that subscription, or for article downloads. I think this woman and her organization need to recognise the conceptual difference between issues around books and potential author royalties, and academic journals and publishing house costs for putting out that journal (journals that are increasingly only available in electronic form, so they're saving money on printing!).
I can understand that as well. The analogy with Napster (or whatever) brought that point home. But picking on libraries? When their purpose is to loan out literature to those who wouldn't be able to purchase it on their own?
Okay, so maybe I don't understand it as well as I think...
I wasn't disagreeing with you last time. I was just pointing out that the publishers of academic journals don't pay the authors of the articles, and so it frustrates me when such publishers complain about losing control of electronic copies of those articles. I guess I didn't explain myself well. I think it's stupid that these people (in the linked article) are calling libraries a problem.
Ah! I get what you are saying now! Silly folks, indeed. *shakes head* I suppose if I understood this topic better, then I wouldn't have gotten all confused.
I think it's stupid that these people (in the linked article) are calling libraries a problem.
I agree with this so much. I can't help but think that if this was the real world then these publishers would find a better way to market (advertise?) their goods... instead of attacking an institution that they don't seem to understand.
In the case of academic journals (like the one the article cites), authors don't get paid for their work The academic journals do worry me because of this and I have issues about buying them in either hard-copy or electronic format. Fortunately where I'm situated, I don't have to make this decision often.
and I have issues about buying them in either hard-copy or electronic format
Same. I mean, academics is partially made on journal publications, so in a way people are getting 'paid' for their work (via promotion, etc), but it does bother me that publishers are increasingly cutting back print, just making them available online, saving money this way, and then complaining about losing control of the articles! ACK!
Of course we're the enemy, because we provide freedom of a sort.
She forgets that we still have to buy the ebook or download to provide them for our customers. so somebody is getting paid and often a person will borrow a book/ebook and then be influenced to go out and buy more of the same author!
But...that doesn't make any sense. There are tons of books out there in libraries, and the libraries PAY for them. The publishers get their money. Fair usage my @#$. Next up, video rentals. :P
There are tons of books out there in libraries, and the libraries PAY for them. Exactly! But I don't think logic is the lady's strong point.
Video rentals are slightly different because you pay to borrow them. A library is obstensibly - free. And that brings up the question of videos/dvds, cds & even CD-ROMS provided by libraries, no-one (yet) has challenged that one!
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Date: 2008-01-09 11:41 pm (UTC)Its like being stuck between a rock and a hard place. True enough, the people who write should be paid for their writing, but the public should also be allowed access to literature even if they aren't rich enough to buy every book that comes out.
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Date: 2008-01-10 12:57 am (UTC)The audacity of these people.
I mean, I get that writers should be paid for their work. But the point of Libraries... *sighs* Publishers don't get the point, huh?
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Date: 2008-01-10 04:10 am (UTC)I agree! But not all authors get paid in the first place!
In the case of academic journals (like the one the article cites), authors don't get paid for their work (some journals even have a publishing fee)! They are not getting any of the money that a publishing house charges for that subscription, or for article downloads. I think this woman and her organization need to recognise the conceptual difference between issues around books and potential author royalties, and academic journals and publishing house costs for putting out that journal (journals that are increasingly only available in electronic form, so they're saving money on printing!).
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Date: 2008-01-10 04:26 am (UTC)Okay, so maybe I don't understand it as well as I think...
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Date: 2008-01-11 02:11 am (UTC)It's pathetic! Silly people!
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Date: 2008-01-11 03:34 pm (UTC)Ah! I get what you are saying now! Silly folks, indeed. *shakes head* I suppose if I understood this topic better, then I wouldn't have gotten all confused.
I think it's stupid that these people (in the linked article) are calling libraries a problem.
I agree with this so much. I can't help but think that if this was the real world then these publishers would find a better way to market (advertise?) their goods... instead of attacking an institution that they don't seem to understand.
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Date: 2008-01-14 11:56 pm (UTC)Agreed. Especially an institution that supports people who may not have the money to constantly spend on books, but nevertheless enjoy reading.
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Date: 2008-01-14 11:58 pm (UTC)Why can't the world be simpler? *groans*
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Date: 2008-01-10 12:18 pm (UTC)The academic journals do worry me because of this and I have issues about buying them in either hard-copy or electronic format. Fortunately where I'm situated, I don't have to make this decision often.
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Date: 2008-01-11 02:10 am (UTC)Same. I mean, academics is partially made on journal publications, so in a way people are getting 'paid' for their work (via promotion, etc), but it does bother me that publishers are increasingly cutting back print, just making them available online, saving money this way, and then complaining about losing control of the articles! ACK!
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Date: 2008-01-10 12:14 pm (UTC)She forgets that we still have to buy the ebook or download to provide them for our customers. so somebody is getting paid and often a person will borrow a book/ebook and then be influenced to go out and buy more of the same author!
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Date: 2008-01-10 12:58 pm (UTC)Video rentals are slightly different because you pay to borrow them. A library is obstensibly - free. And that brings up the question of videos/dvds, cds & even CD-ROMS provided by libraries, no-one (yet) has challenged that one!